Unsophisticated Prediction League - [R] November 15,16 (week 4)

milivella <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
news:up4nm83nar13$.1a50tf8xgdlj8$.[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:


No it's fine. It's the only way to treat it. You're running the
competition. If you can't find the post on your server OR on google you
have to assume it hasn't been sent. It's the only fair way to do it.

On Nov 17, 2:25*am, milivella <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

You needn't have bothered to reply ... I was kidding.

ruud:


No, I have no reason not to trust you, and Miguel agrees: we are all
friends.

So the tables are:

P GF
1. Jesus Petry 8 8
2. Juan Vazquez 8 3
3. MH 7 9
4. Mark V. 6 11
5. Miguel 6 5
6. JK 5 5
6. Sid 5 5
8. Enzo 4 8
9. ruud 4 6
Aggie 4 4
10. James Farrar 4 3
10. milivella 4 3
Randie 4 3
11. Futbolmetrix 4 2
13. Elko 2 2
14. 7h@ch 1 1

Table 2 = Points in the best lossless streak (current streak between
brackets):
8 Jesus Petry (8), Juan Vazquez (8)
7
6 Mark V. (6), MH (6), Miguel (6)

5 JK (0)
4 Agnostic (0), Enzo (4), Futbolmetrix (4), milivella (0), ruud (4), Sid
(1)
3 James Farrar (1)
2
1 7h@ch (0), Elko (1)
0

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Cheers
milivella

Results and fixtures:

1 (October 25,26)
Futbolmetrix (West Brom) 0-0 (Palermo) milivella
MH (Aston Villa) 3-3 (Mallorca) Enzo
Sid (Hoffenheim) 3-0 (HSV) 7h@ch
ruud (Mallorca) 3-3 (Aston Villa) Mark V.
Miguel (HSV) 0-0 (West Bromwich Albion) Juan Vazquez
James Farrar (no prediction) 1-0 (Energie) Elko
JK (Aston Villa) 3-3 (Fiorentina) Jesus Petry
[James Farrar 1-1 Aggie]
[James Farrar 1-3 (Mallorca) Randie]

2 (November 1,2)
Enzo (Manchester City) 0-0 (Fiorentina) Futbolmetrix
milivella (Bolton) 3-0 (Sevilla) 7h@ch
MH (Sevilla) 0-3 (Villareal) Mark V.
Sid (Manchester City) 0-0 (Hamburger) Juan Vazquez
ruud (Hamburger) 0-0 (Manchester City) Elko
Miguel (Manchester City) 0-0 (Fiorentina) Jesus Petry
James Farrar (Bilbao) 0-2 (Blackburn) JK
[ruud 0-1 Aggie]
[ruud 0-0 (Athletic Club Bilbao) Randie]

3 (November 8,9)
Futbolmetrix (Hoffenheim) 0-0 (WHU) 7h@ch
Enzo (Valencia) 3-3 (Arsenal) Mark V.
milivella (Getafe) 0-1 (no prediction) Juan Vazquez

MH (Valencia) 3-0 (Manchester United) Elko
Sid (The Hoff) 0-3 (Bayern) Jesus Petry
ruud (West Ham) 0-0 (Schalke) JK
Miguel (Valencia) 3-0 (ManYoo) James Farrar
[MH 3-1 Aggie]
[MH 3-0 (West Ham United) Randie]

4 (November 15,16)
Mark V. (Portsmouth) 2-2 (West Ham) Futbolmetrix
7h@ch (no prediction) 1-2 (Hull City) Juan Vazquez
Enzo (Hull City) 2-2 (Manchester City) Elko
milivella (Napoli) 0-2 (Portsmouth) Jesus Petry
MH (Sevilla) 3-0 (Fiorentina) JK
Sid (Man City) 2-2 (West Ham) James Farrar
ruud (West Ham) 2-2 (West Ham) Miguel
[Enzo 2-1 Aggie]
[Enzo 2-0 (Fiorentina) Randie]

5
Futbolmetrix - Juan Vazquez
Mark V. - Elko
7h@ch - Jesus Petry
Enzo - JK
milivella - James Farrar
MH - Miguel
Sid - ruud

6
Elko - Futbolmetrix
Juan Vazquez - Jesus Petry
Mark V. - JK
7h@ch - James Farrar
Enzo - Miguel
milivella - ruud
MH - Sid

7
Futbolmetrix - Jesus Petry
Elko - JK
Juan Vazquez - James Farrar
Mark V. - Miguel
7h@ch - ruud
Enzo - Sid
milivella - MH

8
JK - Futbolmetrix
Jesus Petry - James Farrar
Elko - Miguel
Juan Vazquez - ruud
Mark V. - Sid
7h@ch - MH
Enzo - milivella

9
Futbolmetrix - James Farrar
JK - Miguel
Jesus Petry - ruud
Elko - Sid
Juan Vazquez - MH
Mark V. - milivella
7h@ch - Enzo

10
Miguel - Futbolmetrix
James Farrar - ruud
JK - Sid
Jesus Petry - MH
Elko - milivella
Juan Vazquez - Enzo
Mark V. - 7h@ch

11
Futbolmetrix - ruud
Miguel - Sid
James Farrar - MH
JK - milivella
Jesus Petry - Enzo
Elko - 7h@ch
Juan Vazquez - Mark V.

12
Sid - Futbolmetrix
ruud - MH
Miguel - milivella
James Farrar - Enzo
JK - 7h@ch
Jesus Petry - Mark V.
Elko - Juan Vazquez

13
Futbolmetrix - MH
Sid - milivella
ruud - Enzo
Miguel - 7h@ch
James Farrar - Mark V.
JK - Juan Vazquez
Jesus Petry - Elko

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Cheers
milivella

FF:


Yes.


Apart from the prohibition to pick the same team of your opponent, yes. But
on this, see the next reply.

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Cheers
milivella

FF:


FF, I owe a great debt to you: without your suggestions, the
Unsophisticated Contest of last year would have been far worse. But on this
point, I disagree. Of course, if contestants prefer to change rules, it's
not a problem at all.

Let me explain what I think about your suggestion (to permit picking the
same team).
Pros:
- You don't have to check what team did your opponent pick: playing would
be a bit quicker.
- It's fairer, because it doesn't reward quickest repliers. But I don't
think that picking first is such a big advantage.
Cons:
- You can assure yourself 1 point: this could be desirable, at least for
table #2 (lossless streak).
- You can deny your opponent 3 points: later in the season, this could be
useful.
- The outcome of the virtual match would be known before the real matches:
no fun. For the same reason, I preferred to have no-prediction > loss.

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Cheers
milivella

Enzo:


Ok.

Anyway, kidding you said a truth.

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Cheers
milivella

milivella wrote:

It's not about owing a great debt, come on. You can always disagree. I
just made a suggestion.


You're absolutely right.
You still could ask people to give you their picks privately. But I
guess you want to keep it as open as possible.

How 'bout if both pick the same team, they both win, draw or loose
depending on what their team does ? Just a thought, I haven't
considered the consequences, that's your job. And for the case
somebody has an interest to get tied: if player A submits first and
then his opponent chooses the same team, A could be allowed to have
another pick if he wants to. You might find this too complicated, and
there are probably also timing problems. So, once again, feel free to
take it or leave it as it is.

milivella wrote:

My pleasure.

Yes, that's what I meant when I said somebody might want to get tied
(to his opponent). Thus, if the second player picks the same game, the
first player can then change his mind. But there might be timing
problems, as I said.

FF wrote:

Actually, this also can be avoided. So, if a player wants to have a
different team than his opponent in a game, he'll be allowed to submit
2 picks, a main one and a backup one. Based on these, you'll be able
to assign different teams to each player of a pair, except for the
case when both submit the same team and no backup pick. Which is OK
because it means both are OK with them choosing the same team. So, I'd
say that'd be it. A little complicated maybe but not too much IMO.