Liverpool vs Besiktas [R]

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??? I thought you couldn't stand Liverpool (or Everton), along with
Man Utd.

On 6 stu, 22:42, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].ca (The Doctor) wrote:

Goals from the match
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Pool 8 Besicktas 0

Love it!!
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On Nov 6, 4:42 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].ca (The Doctor) wrote:

This should put to rest all doubts that we can be UEFA Cup contenders.

On Nov 6, 5:19 pm, Gabbage <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:


Comeback kings Liverpool are fuelled by despair
For as long as Liverpool's best performances are born of desperation,
they will remain a record-breaking irrelevance.
Simon BurntonNovember 6, 2007 9:51 PM

How Liverpool fans put up with this I will never know. At the ground
where they once gorged on wonderful attacking football, now they get
by on scraps. For all that they feasted here, it only increased the
frustration. If you know your chef can produce such treats, why would
you merrily applaud when he keeps serving up overcooked Brussels
sprouts and limp oven chips?

Sure, Liverpool were good. But too often this season, against Everton,
Tottenham, Birmingham and Portsmouth, and in every season since their
last title in 1990, they have served up swill. Their best performances
might be very fine indeed, but each of them is tainted by the foul
flavour of failure. They made history last night, but how long before
this achievement is mocking them as they labour to another
disappointment? At the moment, they are a record-breaking irrelevance.

Still, they deserve some credit. There was no fear here. The team
began as had their fans, whose rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone
lacked nothing by way of belief. This night might have ended in
misery, but it never seemed likely. Poor Besiktas; even a great team
might have struggled to survive a night such as this, and Besiktas are
certainly not great.

On this form Liverpool are hard to control. But so is the frustration,
the teeth-grinding, infuriating, miserable irritation of this team.
Week after week, under Benitez as it was under Houllier, Liverpool
play as if in chains, constrained by expectation, or tactics, or
inability. When they have to attack, when there is absolutely no
choice, they do it rather well. But do they need their backs to be
placed quite so close to the wall before they prove it?

Before this game, with the group stage effectively at half-time,
Liverpool - twice finalists in the last three years and once, of
course, winners - were facing what might have been their greatest
humiliation in this competition. This was part one of the comeback.
They must still beat Porto at Anfield in three weeks' time and then
win in Marseille a fortnight later if it is to be completed, and even
so they might miss out. But who, now, would bet against them?

Liverpool are comeback kings but Premier League paupers. Twice on
their way to winning this competition in 2005 they were on the brink
of disaster. At half time against Olympiakos in their last group game
they were 1-0 down and heading for the Uefa Cup, and at the same stage
of the final against Milan they were three goals behind and teetering
clumsily towards embarrassment. On both occasions they scored three
times in the second half, and by the time it all ended they were
enjoying an open-top bus parade through town.

Other high-profile comebacks spring readily to mind: the FA Cup finals
of 2001, when Michael Owen's double beat Arsenal, and 2006, when
Gerrard equalised with a ludicrous shot from an absurd distance in
stoppage time. Time and again, when Liverpool are fuelled by the
combination of ability, desire and, perhaps, desperation, the best
teams in Europe (and West Ham) have crumbled. The rest of the time,
however, the only things to crumble are their fans' lofty
expectations.

Benitez has won a lot of medals - two league titles in Spain, a Uefa
Cup with Valencia, a Champions League and an FA Cup with Liverpool -
but how good a manager is he? So far, one would have to conclude that
he is decent. But if he can create a team that attacks at will and not
only in despair, if his side can do to Fulham on Saturday what they
did to Besiktas and then do it all again, and again, and again, then
he might stake a claim to greatness.

But he'd still have to explain why he bought Jermaine Pennant. That
debate, however, can wait for another night.

On Nov 6, 5:19 pm, Gabbage <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

Isn't Liverpool and their murdering teethless beer drinking urine
smelling fans in 3rd place in their group??? Contenders my ass.

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Gabbage <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

Well:

UEFA Champions League : Group A Table
06 November 2007 21:35
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 FC Porto 4 2 2 0 5 3 2 8
2 Marseille 4 2 1 1 5 3 2 7
3 Liverpool 4 1 1 2 10 4 6 4
4 Besiktas 4 1 0 3 2 12 -10 3

Depends if Loserpool gets past Whiners Porto and Le Pen's Marseille.

UEFA Champions League : Group B Table
06 November 2007 21:36
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Chelsea 4 2 2 0 5 2 3 8
2 Rosenborg 4 2 1 1 5 3 2 7
3 Schalke 04 4 1 1 2 2 3 -1 4
4 Valencia 4 1 0 3 2 6 -4 3

Chelsea sucked today.

UEFA Champions League : Group C Table
06 November 2007 21:39
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Real Madrid 4 2 2 0 8 5 3 8
2 Lazio 4 1 2 1 6 6 0 5
3 Olympiakos 4 1 2 1 6 6 0 5
4 Werder Bremen 4 1 0 3 5 8 -3 3

UEFA Champions League : Group D Table
06 November 2007 21:37
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 AC Milan 4 3 0 1 10 4 6 9
2 Shakhtar Donetsk 4 2 0 2 4 7 -3 6
3 Celtic 4 2 0 2 3 4 -1 6
4 Benfica 4 1 0 3 2 4 -2 3
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In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, MH <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

In the European context I hold my nose and cheer for anyone British.
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On Nov 6, 5:35 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].ca (The Doctor) wrote:

Even if it's Manloserscum?

On Nov 6, 8:29 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].ca (The Doctor) wrote:





Hmm.