Far too much PR in football now

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We had Zidane's headbutt and all the non football stuff to turn him
into the victim. The racism card was played etc etc. (Not by Zidane but
his PR team)

Rooney - excellent Spin PR Ronaldo is to blame. This is a mistake for
me - Beckham came back stronger from his horrible treatment.

Arsenal's disgracefull post match outbursts (Henry and Wenger)
allegeding cheating Barca - when the most blatent cheating moment was
Eboué's dive for the free kick that Arsenal then scored. After the
match Henry complained like his manager with no grace.

When after a few days Arsenal realised that people were turning against
them. they did an about face; Wenger talked about how diving ruining
the game and he would talk to Eboué, even though a few dyas earlier he
said it was not a dive. A Spin masterclass.

Just seems to me Spin and PR play far too much a role in deciding
weither a player is guilty or not.

No coincidence that Juventus have gone to the masters of PR/Spin (not
an insult) and hired a London firm for their PR.

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PS.
Don't mind PR used for who is the greatest etc etc.

But for Disciplinary issues its wrong..


yitzak wrote:

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Think it will come back to haunt Eng. He wasn't as hated as Beckham was
in 98. Rooney would have been critisced and learnt his lesson.

I don't like Becks (think its his wife that ruined him). But is a fine
football player and he was geniunely conned into that red card. Simione
fouled (whacking him in the back v.hard) first and he reacted with the
lightest of kicks. Beckham was treated really badly when he got back -
I geniunely felt sorry for him.

But Becks came back without that petulance like a pro should, even in
my dislike of him I can compliment him on that.

Has Rooney learnt his lesson like Becks and Totti did?



RED DEVIL wrote:

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Right. The Nomenclatura rules. L

RED DEVIL wrote:

FALSE! are you joking????? Ronaldo was the worst diver of the whole
tournament. How many goals did he get by the way?

yitzak wrote:

So instead you decided to give us your spin? how nice ..


Fifa is part of Zidane's PR team? Fifa certainly decided Materazzi's insults
were part of the "football stuff".


You have no evidence that Zidane's PR team "played the racism card". The
Guardian isn't part of Zidane's PR team, yet they first came up with lip
readers who told about racist insults.


Unless the ref says so there is no evidence that Rooney's stamping
Carvalho's nuts was intentional. Arguing so isn't spin. Rooney was just
being Rooney (emotional, very physical) and he was fouled early on in the
play. If people think Rooney's emotions are too much of a liability they
should find someone else and quit whining about him not being what he isn't
(cool and deliberate) because he probably won't change. Ronaldo is a great
player but his simulating is over the top and detrimental to the game. He
deserves all the flak he gets in this respect. The spin about CRon asking
for Rooney's expulsion is totally the fact of England's trash nationalistic
media.


Henry certainly wasn't graceful after the loss and he obviously was very
sore about something. In the same sorry interview he declared his intent to
show he too could play the simulation game. Henry should clearly avoid
giving interview in such situations. I am not sure how this qualifies as
some example of eggregious spin.


Managers spewing their mouth off to protect their players happens every
weekend in the major leagues and this is the one example you recall? You
certainly seem to have feelings for some frenchmen ..


Did you ever wonder why some people don't have to resort to spin to explain
their actions? Let's take just one: why don't some managers have to answer
their need of players like Materazzi?

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Bob wrote:

Guardian printed this (website) am, was withdrawn in the afternoon. I
believe they got this from the French media. Like I said before
RedeGlobo were the first to use lipreaders has they had all throughout
the tournament. Lipreaders are quite commonly used in Brasil/Italy.
Check your facts I did the day after.

Red card was proof that the Ref thought it deliberate - otherwise
wouldn't have been a straight red. Thats what straight reds are for
amongst other things. the FA used the provocation as a mitigating
cause. Never saw this myself (People have told me he headbutted Rooney
- never saw this). Ronaldo just ran up to the ref, what every player
would have done.

Well said - also they didn't want another Beckham. Best find a
scapegoat


Its how Dein et al saw it was going the wrong way and decided to go
full on spin. i.e Wenger going completely agianst what he had said
before and virtually admitting Eboué dived (just using Eboué as an
example) and saying he would have a word with him. Yeah right!!

Thats just cheap. When I wrote this Wenger's Frenchness hadn't crossed
my mind. But some players managers get away with murder becuase of
spin. Henry, Zidane and Wenger do, Bergkamp as well. You'll probably
say I'm anti-Arsenal as well now..


There is a law for certain players and another set for the rest..

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Actually Bob it was the Times who used the lip reader who works for the
Old Bailey to lip read with a translator (hmm.. very reliable method)
to come up with "Terrorist". This was at the Earliest Tuesday's edition
(cannot remember exactly).

Guardian just reported what other sources had said then withdrew it.

Its just Times/Guardian are the 2 papers I read..

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LOL at the irony here. There's none so blind as those who won't see

I'm guessing you had the TV on when Germany were playing. If so, did you
actually open your eyes and watch any of the games?

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Of course, you know so much more than the people who actually selected the
player of the tournament.

Care to explain why your choice was a 'country mile' better than the actual
winner of the award, and why they were blind and/or had an agenda?

If not, perhaps it is you who is the one who will not see.