Tell me it's true....please.

Is there really a club where there are still fans who discriminate?
A club where some still weigh up quality and worth instead of acting
like sheep. A club where spending £1000 to go to Russia for a few hours
for another rich club benefit CL Cup Final seems to be of little value?
A club where enough see through this annual facade to vote with their
feet by refusing to join the blind leading the blind drunk on this fake
football pilgrimage?

Are there still unsold tickets? If so, well done you Chelsea fans. Let's
hope that such grown up reasoning spreads. Wasn't it the same club who
were mocked for a poor turn out for a rubbish league game in this same
competition? I hope so.

Look and learn you manipulated fools. Stop paying through the nose on
demand, and maybe we will start to get our game back.

Maybe these sums we now pay for season tickets and CL Cup games could be
better spent on kids, parents or even Oxfam, rather than bolstering our
millionaire owned clubs and their millionaire players?

The only weapon the fans have is common sense. Hasn't the time come for
us to start using it, or does club support mean we are obliged to act
like robotic prats?

LC

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Since when have being a football supporter and common sense gone hand in
hand?
I didn't go to Barcelona in 1999 and have been pissed off about it ever
since. I vowed then that the next time Utd got to a European Final I would
attend. Just my luck that it has to be bloody Moscow, but sobeit. If you
don't understand then you can never be a football supporter.

Sumisdad wrote:



You have corroborated all I said. "When has being a football supporter
and common sense gone hand in hand" says it all.

Lack of common sense becomes something to boast about...a badge of
merit, but only in one area of our lives. Anywhere else and we would be
considered irresponsible idiots to spend a grand on something so worthless.

And yes, it is possible to be a football supporter but still retain some
sense of value, much as those fanatics who "just have to go" hate the
idea. Where would they be without "we were there so we are the real
supporters" crap?

But you have made your decision so I hope you enjoy your expensive day.
It will help if you don't look too closely at what the event is really
worth. Try to forget that both teams are there because they got past
just 3 opponents of any merit after, once again, being gifted their
place in the last 16.

Remember the "European Final" tag and ignore the fact that it's only a
mini cup event, but one without the integrity of a final which took
place 4 days earlier at Wembley.

LC

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Yet you still do not understand


You still fail to understand

people give a fuck about>

Hang about, hold on a bit there Horace.
This has got fuck-all to do with a so called "badge of honour", or I am only
doing it to prove I'm a "real supporter". I know plenty of people who have
been to 75% + United games Home & Away this season who are not going to
Moscow. No way do I consider myself more (or less for that matter) of a
supporter than them. This is a completely personal issue that is a waste of
time trying to rationalise to someone like yourself who will never
understand.
The fact that you don't appear to have an allegiance to any club, makes you
feel that you can pontificate on the values that club supporters have.
Believe me, you know nothing.

Sumisdad wrote:



I think that I do understand chum. You are correct that it is a waste of
time trying to rationalise these sort of decisions to me, but the fact
is that you could not rationalise them to anyone else, not even to
yourself. The only justification you offer is that it's all about club
support. This alone makes the irrational acceptable?

The reason that I understand is because I have been there. I have
travelled long distances and paid unimaginable prices to see games a few
decades ago. My interest and love of the game is no less now than it was
then , but I have learned to discriminate, a decision forced on me, not
because I cannot afford the cash, but simply because of the way the
clubs have used the unquestioning club support the fans are so proud of.

Even so, I would understand a MU fan paying silly money to have been at
Wigan to see their team win the major title because of the quality of
that event. I can understand Pompey fans doing the same to see their
club win a prestigious cup for the first time in 69 years. Both events
have an integrity about them which is something the CL Cup will never have.

You may prefer to ignore this difference, but it is the very thing which
is at the heart of my comments. It isn't about team support. It's about
worth. No pretence was needed at Wigan. None will be needed at Wembley,
but plenty will be needed by the fans in Russia to justify the money
they have spent. Most will just accept the UEFA hype. Many of the
winners, supported by some of the media clowns, will claim to be
"European Champions".

Would you pay a grand to support your team in the Carling final?
Would you pay it to see them in the Charity Shield....and event they
qualify for by proving the best of the best over 38 games. I doubt it.
Why? Maybe because the quality of the event does not justify the cost.

Same with the CL Cup chum. It isn't even close to what it pretends to
be. It's all a bit of a sham and, for me, nothing that false can be
worth so much, even if it does carry that attractive but meaningless
"Euro Champions League" tag.

But you are correct. It is a personal decision and I sincerely hope that
you enjoy a trouble free trip to Moscow.

LC

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If I had the money and time I would go to every Utd game but that is an
impossibility.
I weighed up the options of going to the West Ham and Wigan games or the CL
Final. What swung it was the 9 years of waiting.
I've seen us win Cups of every description, Premiership (including our first
for 26 years), FA, League, CWC and all carry great memories. In fact some of
the greatest memories are not even from Final games, like Bruce's 2 goals
against Sheff Wed, Hughes' goal at Wembley against Oldham, Utd beating the
Gooners 6-2 at Highbury, the first time I went to see Utd in 1971. Even
though I've witnessed all these great events it still grates that I didn't
go to the Nou Camp in '99. I couldn't allow the possibility of something
similar happening again, especially as my furture health is looking
decidedly dodgy.
So I can rationalise it to myself perfectly easily matey, not that I need
to.