Why Real Madrid were better before Beckham's arrival, do you agree?

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Ok I presented a case against Beckham previously. This will be a LONG read, so please have the patience and stamina, if you consider yourself a true football fan you will read this in its entirety, and then tell me what you agree or disagree with

However, I am now going to expand it to prove wrong the people who state he was a success at Real Madrid and their "saviour" last season before he departed for LA Galaxy (great to see you love the game eh Becks and not the cash)

That's my first point, we continually hear how Beckham is one of the few players who still plays for the passion and love of the game

Quite ironic considering he has made a fortune and has a huge celebrity lifestyle outside of it, which he doesn't try to shun, infact he wholeheartedly looks for and embraces.

Oh yea he really loves the game (the people who say this make me sick)

Ok, between 1998-1999, the four seasons before Beckham arrived in madrid, Real won two titles and two Champions' Leagues. You can add to this the Cl they won the season before France 98 when predrag Mijatovic scored the winner agaisnt Juventus

Now, in the four seasons since Beckham arrived, they have won the Copa Del Rey once and La Liga once

I don't care about Copa Del Rey, only England and Spain still take the domestic cup seriously

All that means anything in European football is effort on two fronts : your bread and butter of the league, and an assault on the CL, if you are in it

Now, Madrid won no CL in Beckham's 4 years club, in stark contrast to 3 in the 6 years previous to his acquisition, 2 of which came in the preceding 4 years, the same length of time Beckham was there and won zero

As stated previousy, they won two titles before beckham arrived in 4 years

Beckham won nothing of note in his first 3 seasons at Madrd

Then he has a good second half of the season last season. So did some other players but as per usual, he reapls all the glory and plaudits anyway, and all of a sudden his time at Madrid is a success?

I would say he played well because the pressure was off after his signing for Galaxy, he knew he would be leaving so could concentrate on his football, that does not make a footballer performing under less pressure, hence why England never win anything at tournaments (bottle it more than Pepsi)

I mean, it was about time Madrid won a La Liga was it not? For a club of the magnitude of Real madrid to go four seasons without winning the Spanish Title IN THIS DAY AND AGE WITH THE PLAYERS AT THEIR DISPOSAL would be quite peculiar, not so much in the past but now with the superclubs breaking further away with the increased sponsorships and tv rights etc (rich getting rich, poor getting poorer) it would be strange

TO counter this, and to prove I see both sides of the coin, you could arge Spain is the most competitive league in Europe, and you would be right (not a two or three horse race like the Premiership)

As a result, Madrid won it on the last day, and I think that second half of the season was the least Beckham could have done, after his poor showing in Madrid colours performance and honours wise

Yes other players underachieved also, but Beckham was one of the worst

I know Beckham has certain qualities, I have said already he is one of the greatest crossers of a ball I have ever seen

However, this is only of worth if you have a predator in the middle who thrives on balls delivered from the wings

ie RVN, Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke

You will notice Beckham never really got much attention at united till cantona left, this is because Cantona couldn't capitalize on Beckham's style of play, also Andrei Kanchelskis was better than Beckham, gave United more balance being similar to Giggs on the other side

What I am saying is, without a striker who can capitalize on crosses, Beckham is practically useless
That's why last season was Beckham's best, because Real Madrid finally had a striker who liked cross balls

Ronaldo and Raul dont care about Beckham's style

Then there are the times Beckham played in CM, and failed miserably, proving he doesnt have what it takes to play in his desired position of central midfield, and is an extremely one dimensional player as a winger, he doesn't have the intelligence nor vision to play THROUGH BALLS (those are rela passes not 60 yeard hollywood balls which penetrate nothing)

I have already stated beckham's few strengths and numerous limitations on another thread so I won't go into too much detail here

The basic concept of this question is, Real madrid won 4 times as many of important trophies they entered (2 per seasons of La Liga and Cl equals 8 in 4 years, they won 4/8) as they did after Beckham arrived (1/8)

ie They won a quarter of trophies in beckham's timespan as they did pre beckhams time

So based on this, how an you say Beckham's signing for Madrid was a good thing ON THE PARK? they signed him a year after Beckhammania took off in Asia in the aftermath of the Asian World CUp

It was blatantly to break Asia, overtake man United and capitalize on his fame there! How can you people be so naive? perez even stated Ronaldinho was "too ugly" to play for Madrid

The overall question is, were Real Madrid better off before or during Beckham's time?

Based on what I have presented you would have to argue before

And also seeing as so many of you love to judge everything based on trophies won, to contradict me would be displaying tremendous hypocrisy

Btw, here is something somebody said to me when I asked this question months ago

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you know nothing of football. beckham is definately not overrated.

lionel messi is one of the most overrated footballers."

also the girl defending him stated

"Beckham is the best right winger England have ever had"

Has she never heard of stanley matthews? Clearly anybody voting that answer, are saying that beckham is better than Stanley lol WRONG

haha the people defending beckham think messi is overrated, oh Christ............
And that is that, i rest my case
he was never anything, he just had this amazing ability to cross a ball and had great stamina
Yea Mdrid change manager often but stillstats dont lie, and you all apparently love the facts.........
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this is obviously true, but it still remains fact that beckham showed very little on the pitch

let us not mae excuses for him because madrid were in bad shape when he played well also

he has to take the flak with the credut

i see your piint but the truth is madrid were winning more with mcmanaman before becks arrived
i get ya

but my point is, if beckham takes the accolade,s he ahs to take the criticism also when things werent going right
i dont mention raul because raul did it for real madrid years ago

also, raul is a way superior player to beckham ,which means he probably deserves more criticsim

but raul didnt join madrid when things started going wrong, thats why im slating beckham, he wa sone of the big problems at madrid no matter how ya slice it

and this statement above proves it

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no Madrid dne rubbish coz they changed their manager evryday

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I agree, he is nothing more than an average soccer player, and the only reason he is world famous is because he married a spice girl. Pele was better, plus he played when he was injured too.
Mr Spice girl has a scratched toe, he will sit out a game. LAME!!!!!

[cheaperthanfood]

I put the blame much more on the Real Madrid franchise. Not only were they remarkably unstable due to constant coaching changes, but the political atmosphere at the club led to horrible team chemistry. The collection of egos alone would be enough to set them back. Add to it the candidates for team president always going on about the new players they are going to bring in -- that is not going to instill a sense of confidence or unity in the current squad. No confidence + no unity = no silverware.

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Beckham played very well almost every game at real madrid. even when real madrid lose, beckham was only one who played good football in real madrid, when the team was struggling. unfortunately, real madrid has won only two title in four years with beckham. but come on It's not all beckham's fault, becks is the one played well in the madrid when whole teams plays bad. I think It is the beckham who make real madrid ranked no.2 in last year otherwise, real madrid would had been no.5 or no.6 . result can't say everything, beckham played not bad rather well in real madrid. you should blame whole real madrid team not beckham. why don't you mention raul? raul had been playing bad since beckham arrived in real madrid.